How many votes did each delegate get?

[Sanford Staab]

Once again, WTP has created a huge website that is impossilbe to find stuff in. I want to know, before I spend thousands of $, how many votes my delegates received from my state. I am intent on funding one of our delegates, and he insists I join him - but I am hearing ridiculous costs are involved - more than what it cost to take my family to Europe on vacation! Were are the results of our election? Please point me to where this information is - and if its not here - WHY NOT?!?

[Madeline McNicholas]

Sanford,
The election results can be found at the following link: http://www.cc2009.us/about-cc2009/delegate-voting-info/22-voting/87...
It does not give numbers but there is a "contact us" link at the bottom of the page.
Hope this helps.

[Sanford Staab]

Thanks Madeline for the link. I see, as you say, there are no numbers there. It may be embarrasing to the cause to show numbers in some cases but I agree that it is quite hypocritical to sue states for electronic voting machine fraud and not expose these numbers to us - we voted for them, we should know the numbers!
I can remember years back that getting precinct and county numbers in elections never used to be a hassle at all. We have to straighten this out!

[June Simons]

Questions abound!
And it is NOT just about the actual voting numbers for delegates, but how many people are there in the whole We The People organization (a vital question we asked some time ago) and how many in our supporting sister organizations - in other words, what kind of momentum are we really building. The KEY, the absolute bottom line, for me and others is transparency.
And the importance of this is now showing up in the monetary contributions.
There MUST be someone out there who can answer these questions!!!!!!

[Michael Mikkelsen]

Stanford,

Please read the blog about my effort to obtain the vote totals in Missouri.
http://wethepeopleforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/election-scandal-mo...

There are about 1000 people listed as delegate candidates and team members for each state on the cc2009.us website.

[Sanford Staab]

Thanks for your efforts Mike. We really need these numbers public - this type of garbage that reminds me of the lyrics to the song "Wont get fooled again". The new boss is the same as the old one.

[Don Fairchild]

Each state coordinator was given a very specific procedure for the processing of the voting within their state. It covered everything from the forms to be used, affidavits signed by all involved, ballot count sheets, video of the counting among others details.
The registering, recording and processing of all votes have been documented at the state level. All of this information was faxed and hard copies were mailed back to WTP HQ.

So to answer your question, the information is in fact recorded and archived, since there wasn't any discussion at the state levels (Involving many hundreds of people) as to bad voting then it would appear to go off with out too many problems. I can only speculate as to why you can't find this detailed information, probably due to HQ staff being strained with what has to be a very heavy work load for the upcoming CC2009, but it should come out in detail form fairly soon.

Regards,
Don Fairchild
NH nominee to CC2009

[Sanford Staab]

Thanks for the info Don - looking forward to the number.

[Steve Haven]

Doesn't anyone in management think it would be nice to answer Sanford and Michael about the delegate counts before the Congress happens? It has been 9 and 12 days respectively since they asked this.

[Sandra Yeager]

The actual numbers were posted after the elections to allow the election teams to verify that the number was correct, however it looked messy on the page and the number of votes were not as many as we had hoped. This is why the numbers were removed. We did not want the numbers to undermine the importance of the event. Your state coordinator should be able to tell you how many people voted and what the vote count was. Keep in mind however they may be in St. Charles right away and may not be able to share that info. with you until they return.

State coordinators and delegates have been extremely busy since the elections with basecamp. It is a system that the delegates were given access to immediately following the elections so they could begin to communicate with one another and share ideas and resolutions before they convened in person. As a state coordinator, I can tell you that basecamp has generated on average more than a hundred emails per day since the elections and everyone has been extremely busy preparing for this event.

As an observer of basecamp, I can tell you that we can be very confident that these delegates were very well chosen and definitely have the potential to do what is necessary at this time to save America.

It is my hope and prayer that every Patriot will be following these proceedings and learning what they can do to enforce their findings upon a rogue government.

The live web-cast can be viewed daily at http://www.freedom.tv/live

Opening ceremonies will begin on Wednesday evening, and on Thursday morning the delegates will get down to business. Please share this link with everyone you know, including news media and your state legislators.

In Liberty,

Sandra Yeager

[Sanford Staab]

Ok this is BOGUS. This is wrong thinking. This is the same thinking that almost destroyed the whole CC2009 effort.

"it looked messy" : the CC2009 website was in DIRE need for a LONG time to get the nominated delegate data out to people so we knew who was running in each state. This was HIDDEN for a long time - awaiting a VERY EXPENSIVE website update to provide FANCY state map selection and graphics - when all that was needed was a published text file to GET THE DATA OUT. This delay cost us a ton in active supporters being enabled to know who to support or whether they should find more delegates.

"the number of votes were not as many as we had hoped": Hey, the FED's audit may not be what they hope for. The hearing of Bob's first ammendment right to redress of grievence may not turn out the way the court "hopes", etc.

You - WTP volunteers - are right this minute acting in the capacity of a PUBLIC SERVANT!!! Servants don't hide data because it's embarrasing. Servants don't take down truthful facts that the PEOPLE are entitled to because its messy! Servants DON'T HAVE THIS CHOICE Sandra!

So my state has three delegates each elected by 4 votes - so what - that is the truth. We NEED the TRUTH - we don't need pretty pictures, we don't need good SPIN.

If we can't find out these simple numbers - what does the live webcast mean? What does the entire conference mean? We have NO IDEA what it means becasue we are having the truth withheld from us.

Get those numbers up NOW. BEFORE the Conference starts!!!!

[Sandra Yeager]

Mr. Staab,

1. The website was created by volulunteers, and nominees began posting on the state pages in July.
2. When you start paying me and others a salary, you can consider me your servant.
3. As you, yourself have pointed out the numbers were posted for anyone who cared to see them. I assure you that nothing has been intentionally hidden. Anyone that is interested can contact their state coordinator or other volunteers and inquire about the numbers.
4. I do not have the administrative authority or access to post the numbers. The volunteers that do have that authority are very busy right now and not likely to halt their agenda to take orders from you and appease your rant at this time. However, being the type of quality volunteers they are, I expect they may oblige you at a later date when time allows, should that become a priority.
5. Everyone has been invited and encouraged to volunteer, attend conference calls, and be part of the election process via their state page. Even the live web-cast itself is an effort to further transparency. You may sign up to be a volunteer via your state page, however don't expect an assignment right away. Most of the hard work has already been done up to this point, but I expect after the CC2009 event your help will be much needed, though some may never appreciate your efforts or expense. That is just a cold, hard fact which you should accept should you plan to be a volunteer.

[Sanford Staab]

This thread was started with a simple question - and I have yet to see that question answered. And yes I did contact my state lead volunteer and he said he didn't have the numbers - or at least he did not respond to my question - perhapse because it was included with a critical issue concerning one delgate who I was going to pay a full-ride fare to attend the conference. I have volunteered - I organized the seattle area meeting back before the summer for Bob. I also volunteered my advice on the website issues and was kindly asked not to bother with input.
I also lisenend in on a conference call - me and one gal talked for half an hour - both of us mostly in the dark about what was going on, what we should do, or what the plan was. The call did not feel worth my time so I never managed to listen again.
I don't normally RANT as you say but this just feels very wrong. Servants don't need salaries to be responsible to the truth. If the numbers were posted, I was never informed of it and I was unable to locate them anywhere on the site. Why are they not still there? Why do I have to happen to be there at the right time to find them?
Why is it that volunteers can ask but volunteers don't have the "administrative authority" to answer? Dosn't that seem a bit odd? What is the secret about the votes? What makes it wrong or illegal to diseminate a fact as best you know?
If we - as an organization - neglect to do the minimum we expect from our government in an election - we are setting a BAD example and opening ourselves up to righteous criticism.
We took lots of pains to meet the legal requirements for this election but we just don't have time to meet the moral requirements - what gives?
When I was much younger I would go to my precinct and vote and if I wanted to hang out till the polls closed I could actually count the votes myself along with everybody else there and when the numbers were determined I could take a copy of them and tell anybody I liked what they were.
Its amazing that today with the really great technology available to us that makes this SO SIMPLE TO DO, we neglect to do it - why?
Please, if there is anybody reading this thread that can get somebody that has the ability to post the numbers to ALL of us and KEEP them up - please do so.

Thanks!